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Post by fenrir72 on Nov 1, 2005 10:16:58 GMT 8
There's enough for for all genre, just as patacat said. Adult (extreme) to kiddie stuff (cutesy but also be appreciated by adults). Drama, violence, a little bit of sex (more or less) you have it. Comedy (Ranma hands down) to Horror (Urotsoki you know what), robot space opera (Macross/Gundam) to plain simple old corporate sponsored goods (lots of stuff ex. Pokemon).
Some can be sappy ( Fushigi Yugi) to thought provoking(GITS and Evangelion) but for me...........way back in 1978 it was Voltes V , Daimos and Battle of the Planets that got me hooked.
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Post by pastafazoola on Nov 1, 2005 12:55:25 GMT 8
as a product of the 70s cartoons of hanna barbera and filmation it was a real visual treat watching the sr animes of '78.a complete turnaround it made me more focused on its construction to my anatomy sketshes. heh it then got me to work in animation doing hannabarbera series. o the irony. ;D
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Post by Adelaine on Nov 8, 2005 10:03:41 GMT 8
I wouldn't say it's the best out there. Cartoons vs. Anime have their own pros and cons.
Notable in American cartoons are their "shorties," 15-min or 30-min stand-alone episodes, so if you miss one you won't miss out on the story. Compare that to anime where you have to watch the entire series or you won't be able to understand what's happening. I prefer how American cartoons handle comedy.
When it comes to movies, Japan has a long way to go before being able to capture the way Hollywood builds up to the movie's climax. I personally believe Advent Children would have done better if they had gotten advice from an American director. Don't get me wrong; the choreography and fight scenes are amazing, the graphics flawless, but the story buildup is very lacking. The Japanese excel in creating stories, but it's Hollywood that excels in telling them, generally. That's just opinion of course.
What I like best about anime is it's epic quality. Here, American cartoons don't even come close.
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Post by patacat on Nov 8, 2005 22:53:02 GMT 8
Notable in American cartoons are their "shorties," 15-min or 30-min stand-alone episodes, so if you miss one you won't miss out on the story. Compare that to anime where you have to watch the entire series or you won't be able to understand what's happening. I prefer how American cartoons handle comedy. ok. most jap anime series do need to be watched episode per episode for the story to make any sort of sense. but its also whats so good about it. you get to know more about the characters and the story gradually as you watch it. and when an episode is over it leaves you craving for more. and when the series is finally over, you may be aware of it or not, but you form some sort of attachment to the characters because its like you've peered into their lives with each episode you've seen. its like you watched an entire soap opera in animation. an appeal that, most western cartoons, do not have. take "sky commanders" for example (no offense to fans of the series. i was one too when i was a kid). you watch an episode of it and you immediately know that the sky commanders are always battling it out with general plague and his raiders. as the formula goes; a terrorist attack would happen and the good guys beat the bad guys. with each episode you get to meet the characters and a whole new adventure. but does the story go anywhere? no. i doubt that it even had an ending. they probably had to do a movie for that to happen. unlike jap animes, western toons hardly take you any deeper. but then again, that's just one example. an old one at that. and it was a series aimed at kids. JLU still gives me goose bumps everytime i watch it. and the episodes are mostly stand alone. so its really a matter of opinion on which is better ;D on jap comedy, i do agree. it doesnt match up to western humor. but you'd have to understand that its an entirely different culture altogether. so you cant blame the japs for being cornier than americans. again, a matter of opinion ;D
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Post by Adelaine on Nov 9, 2005 6:04:40 GMT 8
Hate to break this to you, but it's just as possible to form that kind of attachment in Western cartoons. Cartoons don't play like soap operas, but their character development can easily compare--it's just handled differently. Rugrats is a striking example. Tommy, Chuck, Phil and Lil and Angelica all have very robust personalities, and they grow as the series progresses. Their world is just as complete as any world you see in their Japanese animation counterparts. I could say the same for Power Puff Girls, Hey Arnold, Dexter's Laboratory, Danny Phantom and Fairly Oddparents. Of course JLA and JLU are in a league altogether, no pun intended. Like Batman, Superman and Spiderman, they have 40 years worth of comics as foundation. Don't get me wrong, I'm an anime fan myself . It's just that most people jump on the Anime bandwagon and too few defend the Western cartoons.
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Post by patacat on Nov 9, 2005 13:53:15 GMT 8
to adelaine: point taken . like i said, its a matter of opinion or taste. some like some western, some like some animes, some like both and some like none. well said on the character development in western toons
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Post by matttracker on Nov 30, 2005 13:04:18 GMT 8
Because compared to a lot of "real ppl" shows or western shows.. *cartoons*... JAP anime has really serious story lines... You can learn a lot from them... Sometimes they teach you about jap's history.. or culture... Plus, the characters are so KAWAII! And, you can really co-relate your "experiences" to the anime you're watching... The stories move you... The action is in a different level... You'll never know what might happen next... ETC ETC I agree with Twisted. As of now, even the American Animation are being patterned after Anime. But, Anime is borderless and more cutting edge. The Japanese are not afraid to explore the different areas of society, may it be taboo or not. At saka, masaya eh manood nang anime eh! ;D
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Post by matttracker on Nov 30, 2005 13:10:41 GMT 8
Hate to break this to you, but it's just as possible to form that kind of attachment in Western cartoons. Cartoons don't play like soap operas, but their character development can easily compare--it's just handled differently. Rugrats is a striking example. Tommy, Chuck, Phil and Lil and Angelica all have very robust personalities, and they grow as the series progresses. Their world is just as complete as any world you see in their Japanese animation counterparts. I could say the same for Power Puff Girls, Hey Arnold, Dexter's Laboratory, Danny Phantom and Fairly Oddparents. Of course JLA and JLU are in a league altogether, no pun intended. Like Batman, Superman and Spiderman, they have 40 years worth of comics as foundation. Don't get me wrong, I'm an anime fan myself . It's just that most people jump on the Anime bandwagon and too few defend the Western cartoons. I agree with "most people jump on the Anime bandwagon". When I was growing up, I watched all kinds of anime and cartoons (My Little Pony, Super Six, Popeye, Ultraman, Gundam Rx78, Super Friends, M.A.S.K, He-Man etc...) It just so happened that nowadays, the trend shifted to Anime because of the sudden boom. People shuned anime before and were hooked on G.I. Joe and the like. Yun lang kasi yung available sa tao nuon. Alam niyo naman ang tao, kung ano sikat, eh duon sila. = )
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Post by twisted on Dec 1, 2005 20:37:45 GMT 8
@ matttracker ► *twisted taps matttracker on his left shoulders*.... you forgot Yogi Bear... and Garfield and friends... and Jetstones.. flintstones... ^_^
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Post by archaznable on Dec 1, 2005 21:06:42 GMT 8
yah sometimes what i see in Cartoons is that they don't have a story its just a matter of episodes for one day and on that one day story doesn't continue anymore and it doesn't make sense. Unlike Anime even an anime for kids have stories that continues like for example Yu Gi Oh or Astroboy they have a whole pack of stories on a whole episodes. The only thing that we see Cartoons that really have stories on them is on the big screen like Alladin, Beauty and the Beast, and the likes. Sadly anime really eaten the heart out of cartoons ..... I think we really need to give a big credit to the Japanese animator they have really done a wonderful job to market anime all around the world.
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Post by matttracker on Dec 7, 2005 10:09:23 GMT 8
yah sometimes what i see in Cartoons is that they don't have a story its just a matter of episodes for one day and on that one day story doesn't continue anymore and it doesn't make sense. Unlike Anime even an anime for kids have stories that continues like for example Yu Gi Oh or Astroboy they have a whole pack of stories on a whole episodes. The only thing that we see Cartoons that really have stories on them is on the big screen like Alladin, Beauty and the Beast, and the likes. Sadly anime really eaten the heart out of cartoons ..... I think we really need to give a big credit to the Japanese animator they have really done a wonderful job to market anime all around the world. Just take this into consideration: It's very difficult to create an animated series. I've been there before. Nowadays, we are more exposed to anime eh, from television to comics. As for cartoons, we still watch PPG, Dexter's Lab, Sponge Bob and the like, right? We just tend to lean towards anime. Hilig natin eto eh!
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Post by matttracker on Dec 7, 2005 10:12:12 GMT 8
@ matttracker ► *twisted taps matttracker on his left shoulders*.... you forgot Yogi Bear... and Garfield and friends... and Jetstones.. flintstones... ^_^ Of course hinde, he he he ;D How could I ever forget: Orson, Sheldon, Roy, Odie, Fred, Wilma, Dino, George, Jane, Astro...he he he! ;D
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Post by Adelaine on Dec 8, 2005 13:41:50 GMT 8
Actually it *does* make sense. Because each episode is contained in itself, there's no need to watch the episodes in order, or to watch every single one. (Gotta watch 'em all, hehehe)
That doesn't mean there's no story. Like I mentioned, Rugrats has a continuing story: Tommy gets a brother, Chuckie's dad gets married, Kimi and Suzy and Harry joins their group. As Told By Ginger gets a conclusion: there's a scene at the end of the movie showing what happened to all the characters ten years later. In Dexter's Lab, he gets an archrival, said archrival falls in love with sister, he meets Major Glory, etc etc. The story in American toons are just told differently. Don't get me started on the Power Puff Girls. ;D
And before you start bashing the West some more, do you guys even know how Anime began? Here's a simpler question: do you know why they have huge eyes? Because expression is best conveyed in the eyes. And the idea isn't Japanese; it came from Disney. ANIME is an offshoot of Disney's ANIMATION.
Anime didn't begin in Japan, it just took a different path from its western roots.
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Post by archaznable on Dec 8, 2005 15:38:25 GMT 8
Adelaine Ow Ow I know were they took the idea of the big eyes it was Betty Boop . . . ;D
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Post by archaznable on Dec 8, 2005 15:42:44 GMT 8
Here is a rundown history of the Anime world: In the early 20th century, motion pictures and the audio that would eventually accompany them were in their infancy. Forays by Western artists into the film industry were followed by those in the East, Japan included. The first animated films also were born in this time, and the idea of a "cartoon" was just making its way off of the newspaper pages and into films. Though the West had very few creations that were animated in this way, they still creeped ahead, and it was not until 1914 that Japanese cartoonists began their own experiments with animated motion pictures, and those that did make it onto the projector screen are hardly worth mentioning. Part of this was due to the already-dominant presence of Western animators in the world, most notably, the Walt Disney studios (creators of Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, and many other popular cartoon characters still known today) and the Fleischer Brothers (who went on to animate Popeye the Sailor and Superman, but who were most well-known for their creation of "flapper" girl Betty Boop). These two forces in the animation world produced masterpieces that would set standards for the "Cartoon" medium for years to come. Disney, with full-length creations like "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs" and breakthrough shorts such as the famous "Steamboat Willie" cartoon with the first appearance of Mickey Mouse, was instrumental in dictating the standard for animated materials. By comparison, the Japanese were slow to get into the realm of animation, and, as said above, are hardly mentionable with regards to early animated filmography. While this can possibly be attributed to normal conservatism on the part of the Japanese, one could also cite Japan's fairly recent (albeit over 50 years ago) rise out of global isolationism as a factor in the acceptance of (or resistance to) experimental mediums such as animation. Comparisons with the revolutionary animated products of the West seemed to be a no-contest. However, as the Second World War came and went, the Japanese would experience a movement into animation not unlike the rise of its counterparts in the West. These would be the seeds that would eventually grow into the medium of anime. During and after the Second World War, there was a man by the name of Osamu Tezuka. A factory worker during the war and an aspiring doctor, Tezuka was heavily influenced by the early animation of Disney and the Flesicher Brothers in the West. As a child, Tezuka found solace and enjoyment in his father's projector reels featuring characters such as Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck. He also found popularity and respect among his peers for imitating the style of the cartoons he saw, by drawing ones of his own. It was this early love of animation that would fuel not only his future success, but also, ultimately, the birth of anime and manga as we know it today. Historians and knowledgeable fans alike agree that Tezuka was the precursor to both manga and anime, and there's definitely good reasoning and evidence behind it. He was the first to come out with a novel-length drawn story (titled "Shintakarajima", or "New Treasure Island") in 1947, the very first well-known "tankoubon" or "graphic novel" as the West calls them. In 1963, he was the first to produce an internationally successful animation series in "Testuwan Atom", or, as we know it, "Astro Boy". Along with Toei Animation (which Tezuka had worked with as a character designer), Tezuka's Mushi Productions was among the first in Japanese animation studios. In both his drawn stories and in his animation, Tezuka was a pioneer to the Japanese. Drawing on the influences of the cartoons he watched as a child, Tezuka used large heads and expressive faces in his style of drawing. The unusually large eyes especially were of note, as Tezuka wanted to be able to display a range of emotions for his characters, and felt that large eyes were essential to achieving this. This drawing and animation style of Tezuka's would go on to influence many future anime and manga artists, and the trend can still be seen today in many popular anime. astro boy picTezuka and his studio were also revolutionaries in that they told overhanging plot and stories with their animation. Unlike the West, where individual cartoons were mostly episodic in nature (i.e. "stand-alone"), Tezuka's "Astro Boy" and later work "Kimba the White Lion" told a continuing story revolving around recurring characters, both heroes and villains. Characters were also subject to change - for example, Kimba eventually grows from a young lion into an adult lion.This use of plot elements, previously seen only in live-action TV series, was something that would become one of the main appeals and selling points of anime for most, if not all its fans. the rest of the story can be seen here www.animeinfo.org/animeu/hist101-l1.html
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