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Post by Hayabusa on Aug 20, 2005 15:03:11 GMT 8
Ideally kasi, panel lines should be done on groves and canals like on the disc-whip-thinngy and the tubes near the neck of the Kampfer. So I would say na tama yung placements niya ng panel lines. He probably copied the panels lines on the finshed model sa box, which is what I also do. I also agree na medyo madumi nga yung panel-lines sa Dalong.net. Hindi pa siguro siya ganoon kagaling gumamit ng Gundam marker or talagang makapal lang siyang maglagay ng panel lines. (No offense to the author of Dalong.net)
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Post by Uberjam on Aug 20, 2005 15:09:30 GMT 8
i kinda have that impression as well. o di kaya minadali kaya ganun? pero ang dami na ng kits dun para hindi pa sya maging praktisado di ba? oh well? ganun talaga?
btw hayabusa, have you tried the oil wash? what do you think of it?
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Post by Hayabusa on Aug 20, 2005 15:27:37 GMT 8
Nope, haven't tried that yet so I can't really give a comment. Pero I think na masmadali siyang gawin compared sa enamel or acrylic washes kasi pupunasan mo lang yung mga excess ng tissue or something right?  |
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Post by Ryuhao on Aug 20, 2005 15:45:21 GMT 8
bzzzt....bzzzt....testing....testing...123.. Ohh shoot!!! ang dami ko nang na-miss ;D Panel lines...very interesting topic. Just want to share a few things based on my expensive and frustrating experience on panel wash . ;D ;D ;D 2 things to consider when doing Panel wash or lining. 1. Glossy finish. Very good for a wash. I use oil wash on all my panel wash. I use an ordinary artist oil (actually I bought the expensive ones) Buy either Burnt Sienna, Raw umber or Black. The first two are different shades of brown, kinda good for a rusty panel lines. Just dab a very small amount of the artist oil in a small container (Pringles cap will suffice). Then add a generous amount of Odorless Mineral Spirit, long word for.... lighter fluid ;D Just add enough so that you will have something like dirty water, or try to control the mixture to your preference. After that, just get your inexpensive paint brush, then transfer the wash to the panel lines, just point it on one corner, and let it run through the panel lines, adding on where it stops. So for example you have 10mm. panel lines, your first drip, might stop halfway, so you point your second drip there till it completely cover the panel lines. Cleaning the excess... just use and ordinary tissue paper, wetting it with a little bit of lighter fluid will help. 2. Flat finish. For me this is a better finish for Mechs, but panel wash will not go well with this. You see when you use a panel wash with a flat finish, there are 2 problems. First, the drip will not travel far enough, compared to glossy finish, so you will have more excess points on one strip of panel lines, compared to glossy finish. Second, when you try to clean this excess, it will have the tendency to spread to the surrounding area, creating a weathering effect. Actually it can work to your advantage, if you are weathering your mech. But if you are shooting for a clean flat finish, don't try the panel wash. So for Flat finish , I recommend a Gundam panel marker. Although this marker is only usable for 1/60 and 1/100 scales. Because on 1/144, the panel lines are shrunk to proportions, and the marker will not go through it. If this is the case, it is best to either finish your 1/144 in gloss, or...add an overcoat of gloss on your flat finish and do the oil wash. BTW. I airbrush all my kits. Hand brush will create the same problem as a flat finish, although you might be using glossy paints. The brush stroke will serve as collecting point for the wash, and you won't be able to clean the excess from your panel wash easily. Hope this helps ;D ;D ;D Here is a sample why we paint our kit.  And here, the panel lines, I used an oil wash on this.  |
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Post by genocide on Aug 20, 2005 15:51:52 GMT 8
very helpful tip there ryuhao...
THANX!!!
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Post by Daycot on Aug 20, 2005 19:42:02 GMT 8
Great explanation dude! ;D Share with us more tips. I only use spray cans for painting. How about tips on the paint classifications? Which would work best with each other? I am referring to enamel, acrylic and lacquer types.  |
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Post by Ryuhao on Aug 20, 2005 21:18:23 GMT 8
Great explanation dude! ;D Share with us more tips. I only use spray cans for painting. How about tips on the paint classifications? Which would work best with each other? I am referring to enamel, acrylic and lacquer types. As per experience, Lacquer is the best, but the most toxic. Need a good ventilation, or safety mask while working on it. Enamel is the next, some Tamiya Enamels can be diluted by lighter fluid also (the ones on the small bottles), the ones on the big bottle needs to be diluted by Tamiya's thinner. And next is Acrylic, which best to use for paint brush, because it level easy. It can either be diluted by water or alcohol. Sometimes you can use enamel for a panel wash over lacquer paint finish. |
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Post by Chaoz on Aug 20, 2005 21:24:35 GMT 8
found a felt pen thats double ended having a very fine point ;D  |
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Post by Uberjam on Aug 20, 2005 23:12:42 GMT 8
WOW! galing! sir ryuhao question ulit ako... can i apply the oil wash on an untreated kit? or should i first have it clearcoated at least?
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Post by Uberjam on Aug 20, 2005 23:13:46 GMT 8
found a felt pen thats double ended having a very fine point ;D how fine is it and what brand? |
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Post by genocide on Aug 20, 2005 23:23:21 GMT 8
ung nakita ko na techpen sa national bookstore, ung pinaka pina nila is 0.1 lang... ung tech pen ng gundam db 0.04??? pls. correct me if im wrong... pero ung 0.1 sa NBS parang fine na tlaga sya...
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Post by Ryuhao on Aug 20, 2005 23:24:31 GMT 8
WOW! galing! sir ryuhao question ulit ako... can i apply the oil wash on an untreated kit? or should i first have it clearcoated at least? Never tried it before, so I can't honestly answer that question. But considering the properties of the wash, an enamel wash will prove better than oil wash over an untreated surface, I suppose. Bear in mind that an untreated surface still has the ejection mold release, which is a greasy substance, this might affect the "bite" of the panel wash. |
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Post by Uberjam on Aug 20, 2005 23:27:07 GMT 8
i see. so its either i have it treated first with a clear coat or use markers instead?
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Post by Uberjam on Aug 20, 2005 23:29:12 GMT 8
ung nakita ko na techpen sa national bookstore, ung pinaka pina nila is 0.1 lang... ung tech pen ng gundam db 0.04??? pls. correct me if im wrong... pero ung 0.1 sa NBS parang fine na tlaga sya... yup its 0.04, dun sa manual na kita ko, they specified for a 0.01. will i ever find a thing like that? hmm 0.1? what brand and what branch of national bookstore? |
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Post by Chaoz on Aug 20, 2005 23:31:44 GMT 8
UJ: marker brand is called Twin Marker and i think the fine end is either 0.2 or 0.1...
some info on the marker:
No Xylene (dunno what that means)
marsk on most surface
water resistant
permanent type
alcohol type ink
;D
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