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Post by lastmaximal on Sept 12, 2005 10:20:50 GMT 8
from a heads-up on TFW2005.  - last "cassettes this time?" maximal |
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Post by mukodono on Sept 12, 2005 10:56:30 GMT 8
tanx for da info. lastmaximal.
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Post by Anakin Skywalker on Sept 13, 2005 1:31:44 GMT 8
i thought that rumble's guns are chromed too?
Anyway, there are also the gold chomed version, all plastic variant of the cassetticons and other tfs. you can tell by the gold chromed weapons. like the all plastic ultra magnus, metroplex, rodimus prime and second wave of protrectobots and combaticons for example. (note that these are still original; unless otherwise copyright stamped are not authentic.) Also there are dia-clones too that still has the original colors and has now stamp copyright whatso ever. ^_^
Note for tf collectors: the plastic variants are still original too. and most of it are Hasbro versions too. (like the ones mentioned.) the Takara japan version on the other hand, mostly carries the rubber wheels and die-cast version commonly. The best way to find out if your tf toys are fake, check on the copyrights and manufactorer's stamp on you tf toys.
the easies way to tell... All unofficial tf toys only stamped " Hasbro (or takara) the year... that's it. EX: if it statedonly on its stamped, Hasbro 1984 ( that's it.) there's a 99% chance that the toy you have is fake. the irrony to this is, you have to open a uncertain tf MISB? MOSC to see the stameped copyright. ( this method only works on loose tf.)
Its should read ex: Hasbro 1984 (c) takara 1984 made in Japan or deppends on where it was made.) the boothlegs one has no such detaild reference. Also, the "made in" part is often common on all tf toys but often missing in boothleg types.
As for G1 MISC/MISB you will notice the plastic are faded ( especially if the toy was never open. this apply to MISB tf toys.) and the box has very blurry colors. Last, some boxes/ manuals have bad typo and or extra things like stickes or manuals that normal 87 up tf. another thing is, most other 86 up tf doesn't have extra thing normal 86 below have.... Like rub signs, exclusive single pack ( Most 86 and up tf don't have these.) and later tf are only avalible as a set and never produce us versions. or hongkong versions even. lastly since they are made from 94 same time g2 came out, they are concider, unofficial reissue g1 or illegal versions. and last, Even you see sum sign like this, you still need to see the inside the box to be hundred percent sure. ( this apply for only the 1986 below tf)
to find out more, read the complete guide to the transformers book. it can help you collectors tell what's tf is tf. hope it helps a bit.
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Post by Majingaa Zetto™ 12·03·72 on Sept 13, 2005 1:46:21 GMT 8
huwaw! thanks for the info guyz! ako kahit fake/bootleg na TF cassette robot "basta mura" ok lang sa akin since yun lang ang kaya ko i-afford. heheheh
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Post by Anakin Skywalker on Sept 13, 2005 1:52:36 GMT 8
huwaw! thanks for the info guyz! ako kahit fake/bootleg na TF cassette robot "basta mura" ok lang sa akin since yun lang ang kaya ko i-afford. heheheh lam mo, di naman boothleg ang ganun tf unofficial lng. kasi ang gumagawa rin nyan are yung same people na gumawa ng original nyan. pinarate lng hehe  And irronic, US collectors are still concidering it as Chinese version originals. sa uk lang naman ang maarte eh haha |
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Post by lastmaximal on Sept 13, 2005 14:46:36 GMT 8
i've always been under the logical impression that a product produced outside the company without the company's express consent, and with no compensation even going to the company, is indeed unofficial product - a bootleg.
for instance, the Sonokong-produced BW2 and BWNeo and Car Robots stuff is official product, since they are licensed by Takara [and, as one of the likely agreement conditions, produce everything at the level of quality Takara does]. the Animism Defender stuff are not officially sanctioned or licensed, and are bootlegs.
- last "i haven't encountered any people claiming these are Chinese version originals" maximal
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Post by fenrir72 on Sept 13, 2005 20:34:38 GMT 8
I once purchased (1988) a Frenzy/Ratbat pack, Frenzy did not have the label on his leg and his feet were plastic not metal. Was that a fake? It had a made in HK marking.
I have several TF (Fortress Maximus, Autobot headmasters DX and Soundwave). With the exception of Soundwave which had rough molding on his shoulders, and a chinese translation of Transformers label stuck over the english word. My bro` bought it in Taiwan, the rest were topnotch in quality. Complete labels but yes, the package did not indicate the origin of Manufacture.
I also could tell the difference between a Japan and US Optimus and the Optimus whose box had no origin marks.
Japanese, mouth guard chrome color not complete on the right cheek, the US, on left cheek.
While the no origin, mouth plate completely colored.
The label sheet by the way of the US and Japanese is harder than the no origin.
Does this mean that the no origin TF are fakes? Bootlegs?, then they are topnotch knock off!
I also have the Takara version of Frenzy, his weapons were silver and not gold plated, also came with with a case holder.
Also, my Decepticon delux Headmasters (which I also purchased in Uniwide Carriedo ( 1988 ) did not have the holograms but were in a made in japan Hasbro box.
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Post by lastmaximal on Sept 13, 2005 23:28:47 GMT 8
[scribbles in calendar]
aha! NOW i've encountered someone! ;D
seriously, lots of gray areas there. especially considering it's from the nebulous [not Nebulos, mind ;D] G1 years. after all, there were lots of product and packaging variations from that time - the UK Diaclone stuff, the European transformers stuff [French/English packaging], the Brazilian minibots and yes, the Chinese 'hybrid' packaging, and God knows what else. i've never really been able to research that era much.
that's some really funky odd stuff, though. i'd have to default to the company label stamp method Anakin mentioned, although even that's not always foolproof. interesting stuff!
- last "my head hurts ;D" maximal
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Post by Anakin Skywalker on Sept 14, 2005 19:32:43 GMT 8
ok the good news is: all takara jap box (so far) are original. only the hasbro( Us) version has been reported ( and proven) boothlegs or "Unofficial." also, But The all plastic version of tf are authentic. ( again unless the ussual) in 1986, the majorty of tf made by hasbro, ummm.. they made budget cuts and made the all-plastic wheels version or no-die-cast version. of them (ex; Rodimus, ultra magnus, metroplex trypticon. which by the way, the rubber wheel trypticon are really rare.) the official tf book confirm this so its not really an issue. those are more like, Plastic variants of the original die-cast version. you will notice it wen you buy a takara version of tf Scramble city g1 and most of us got the us metroplex plastic version. interesting trivia huh?
fenril72: about your Headmaster tf its authentic. cause and you bought it in 1988, ( the booth-leg toys came out from 1994. so if you got your tf before 1994. its safe to say its an original. if your not certain. just look at the stamped copyriht in it. as I said, the best way to find out for sure. if it has the origin of where its was made from, then its an original. ^_^ anpother thing, the takara version doesn't have the hologram sticker on it. ( also, sum the first wave release 1987 headmaster version like, fortmax. had the holo-sticker. but not all of them after the second wave came out.... another note: If you got the japan box, then its authentic and so far, no one has reported that they have made sum boothleg of the jap box design at all. Thank god... again, to know if your 1987 and up tf are fake, remembr, Majority of the g1 that came out at that time are all takara exclusives. And habro never produce any us version like star convoy,dai atolas, and Victory Leo to name a few, and never had us box . Especially chiness box. )
these guys are definitely booth-legs. i'll highlight the ones that proves its boothleg. but if you bought these befor 1994, it could be sumwhat the original. to make sure check the stamped on the toy itself if you've already open it.
They are authentic man. ^_^ the gold guns version are second release version of them. so not to worry. ^_^
This is harder to explain but here goes...
the stapmed copyright are at the bottom of the prime trailer you won't miss it. also, most first wave g1 doesen't have holo-stickers too. but in 1984, they finally introduce the holo-sticker in it second wave. As for the g1 prime, there are sum that have worn paints on its mouth plate. also, sum g1 season 1 toys had the black box out on the hasbro copyright. on the lower left coner of the box. that's the problem. the only way you can tell are three thigs: but all are involve opening the box. ( if its MISB, that's the irrony of it... Cause you need to open the box just to tell.) if you do ( or its already open) open the box look for these 3 signs.
1.) on the box's ( On only its) right flaps ( the one where the toy gos in and out of the box) there's a white line that didn't fully finish on the tip of it's flap ( i guess the the printer they use is not bother enuff to cover/finish painting the entier box to color it properly...
2.) blurry box covers. there are sum that are too blurry or a bit blury. (or remember the rest of the g1 tf from 87 up are more on exclusive takara japan boxes only. no US version)
3.) again, the copyright stamped on the toy's body. i guesds you guys know that part hehe.
Hope this will help a bit.. i know its kinda long but knowing is half the battle.
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Post by fenrir72 on Sept 16, 2005 9:08:29 GMT 8
GI JOEEEEE! Any way, I purchased my Fortmax and Head master Dx from Nova Fontana ( reward I got for passing the board exams of of 1993.............buking na my age no?)
Its the Soundwave that really bothered me though. (as mentioned in my review of Soundblaster) That one was purchased by my bro` in Taiwan......a store located near the subway it Taipei. It was really icky in craftsmanship, especially in the shoulders)
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Post by Anakin Skywalker on Sept 17, 2005 2:51:49 GMT 8
GI JOEEEEE! Any way, I purchased my Fortmax and Head master Dx from Nova Fontana ( reward I got for passing the board exams of of 1993.............buking na my age no?) Its the Soundwave that really bothered me though. (as mentioned in my review of Soundblaster) That one was purchased by my bro` in Taiwan......a store located near the subway it Taipei. It was really icky in craftsmanship, especially in the shoulders) as i said, its easier to tell if i can see it. But there are are two types of soundwave avalible, the dia- clone which don't sport the takara copyright on its first release. ( also the obvius casset man on his chest)then the later set came with the takara copyright. while the bootleg unofficial g1, On its copyright stamped, you can only read, "hasbro, and the year." but not the country that it was made in. its more like black out in terms. i check a box full of theise hong kong tf from a friend who been there a while back he got it from 94. but he opened it (but keeped the box luckly...) we saw the box description from the other MBoards and compaired it along with other info to make a reliable way to tell. ( sadly, this method works only if you open the allege bootleg. but the loose mib are easier to tell thanks to its stamped copyright. ^_^) as we saw all of it ( 20 tf actually ex: G1 prime, ironhide, Cyclonus, Seaspray ect.) are boothlegs. as the other boards said. but what made it true are, the toy itself. All of their stamped dates and makers info have been left blank. whice is normaly seen stapmed on the to on different sections of the tf. ( even those hard to reach places like the stunticons. Tip: its inside its legs. very haard to see btw. ) |
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Post by fenrir72 on Sept 17, 2005 21:18:23 GMT 8
All things not withstanding......OUCH! I own a bootleg then? Well.........should have gotten the re-issue no? That unit has tripled the price already.
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And irronic, US collectors are still concidering it as Chinese version originals. sa uk lang naman ang maarte eh haha 
keeping the site active as a place to dump info for easier backtracking.