Yamato 1/60 YF-19 is coming!!!

[gian7675]

It wonder when Macrossworld.com will be up again? I don't know if this wing folding was already discussed there.

[The Laughing Man]

v2 said:

its still possible, as doyusha did it to their VF-19A diecast fighter:
www.hlj.com/product/DYSDMM-23

Ahem... the Doyusha's don't transform.

There's very little or no worries with the space needed for the folding wing interfering with other parts of the toy.

@ Peace:

It is feasible, but Yamato might have to change some things in the design. It won't work with a single hinge design. Still, it is unlikely that Yamato will do anything like that at this point anymore...unless they've already done it as a surprise for us all.

Peace

Feasible? Maybe.

Practical? No.

The transformation physics alone require a variable toy (that does not have any replacement parts for the transformation sequence) to have all it's parts and sections tight and fit. Any un-necessary space should be eliminated, and put to good use to make sure that the toy will be secure in all modes.

I don't think there are any more surprises. If you look at the picture I posted again, you can see that the base of the wing is already beside the calf area in fighter mode. No room to move.

gian7675:
MW was hacked by someone from a foreign Transformers forum.

But before MW went down, there was some light discussion about the folding wing, but most found it un-necessary.

[Peace]

;D......

[V2]

ahem... please take note that i was referring to the wing design which accomodates the back-swept feature.

considering that those diecast fighters are on the 1/144 scale, it wouldnt be hard for yamato to figure out how to make it work on the 1/60 since its relatively bigger.

regardless of transformation physics requirements whatsoever, it doesnt hurt to hope for the best in a toys that features all distinctive characteristics shown in the animation and lineart, doesnt it?

like i said, lets just hope for the best for yamato to give it their all - they did pretty good for the VF-0S, so lets not try to hope for the best on this one.

laughingman said:

Ahem... the Doyusha's don't transform.

There's very little or no worries with the space needed for the folding wing interfering with other parts of the toy.

[The Laughing Man]

v2 said:

ahem... please take note that i was referring to the wing design which accomodates the back-swept feature.

considering that those diecast fighters are on the 1/144 scale, it wouldnt be hard for yamato to figure out how to make it work on the 1/60 since its relatively bigger.

The wing designs are basically the same since we are talking about the same Valkyrie type. But you seem to have a hard time comprehending that these two models are not bound by the same technical attributes as the other.

One is a non-transforming diecast toy that has no real regard or worry for space restrictions, and other moving parts, while the other is the opposite- a completely transforming toy that has several moving parts. It needs any available space to be used, to make sure it holds together in all modes.

Scale is not even a real factor in the discussion, so it's rather nonsensical that you even mention it.

regardless of transformation physics requirements whatsoever, it doesnt hurt to hope for the best in a toys that features all distinctive characteristics shown in the animation and lineart, doesnt it?

Really?

You're going to get into a technical discussion about a fully transforming toy, then DISREGARD it's transformation physics and mechanical composition/parts?

Don't you think that's foolish?

We're not talking about a statue that has one or two articulation points at best.

Even if you blow up the Doyusha 19 to 1/60 scale, so what? It still has how many moving parts? 2? One pivot point for each wing?

And you compare that to the Yamato variable 19 which has maybe a minimum of 15-20 moving parts?

I understand that the folding wing would be a nice addition, but speaking from a "practical POV", it not necessary feature, especially if it will require some un-necessary space that can compromise the stabilty of the toy in one or all three modes.

All I am saying is, if you want to make comparisons, make sure that you are not comparing an apple to an orange.

[The Laughing Man]

Take a look at the gaping slot where the wings go through on the Doyusha 19.

Note how much space is needed by the folding wing, and it's already impeding into the shoulder section- which is NO real problem because it DOES NOT TRANSFORM.




Now look at the similar illustrations for the YF-19 Yamato. If the wings fold, it will leave an ugly hole on the calf area, and will impede on the shoulder block where the space is needed for the deltoid and elbow section to fold into.



Again, feasible, YES!

Practical / Necessary? Nope.

[Joemar]

I agree on the Laughing man....but hell...it's still the 19 and im getting one!

IMO...the bigger scale the toy is...the more sturdy it is....Yamato might have taken the 1/60 scale idea to "revolutionize" the modern transforming pattern of the toy...

im running out of engrish...just woke up hehe

[Peace]

;D.......

[ThunderBreak]

Ahem!!!

Guys... be gentle... we dont want to start something we will all regret...

... i will not repeat this again!!!

MODERATOR

[gian7675]

I don't know but I think that Yamato came up with something new to make the wings pivot. ..or maybe not.

We're assuming that the wings pivot in the traditional way like that of the 1/48 VF-1s. But what if the 1/60 YF-19's wing pivots in a different way meaning that the pivot is not located in the diagram Laughing Man made.

Yamato made a way for the 1/48 VF-1s to perfectly transform without the metal bar like Bandai did in their 1/55s which links the legs to the nose cone.

Anyway, there's a chance that I might be skipping the YF-19. I will be waiting for the VF-19 VF-X Ravens color.

I might still get this though

[The Laughing Man]

gian7675 said:

I don't know but I think that Yamato came up with something new to make the wings pivot. ..or maybe not.

We're assuming that the wings pivot in the traditional way like that of the 1/48 VF-1s. But what if the 1/60 YF-19's wing pivots in a different way meaning that the pivot is not located in the diagram Laughing Man made.

Bro, if by chance you have or have seen the 1/72 YF-19's (including the 19A) by Yamato, the Half Eye 19, the 1/65 DX VF-19's, 1/100 VF-19 M7 Model kits, even the 1/144 Doyusha, they all have the same pivot point for the wing.

Bottom View YF-19 (S.H.E. vs. 1/72 Yamato):
www.macrossworld.com/macross/toys/halfto_fit_bottom.jp
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VF-19 Kai from Bandai (look at the left hand side Wing Root-you'll see the screw hole for the wing pivot) :
www.macrossworld.com/macross/toys/bandfire_3.jpg

VF-19 Kai From Bandai (look at the right hand side Wing Root-you'll see the screw hole for the wing pivot):
www.toyarchive.com/Robotech/st6/st6images/fireb.jpg

asurada11.hp.infoseek.co.jp/garou/lost/200306top.jpg

VF-19 Blazer from Bandai(look at the left hand side Wing Root-you'll see the screw hole for the wing pivot) :
www.macrossworld.com/macross/toys/bandvf19_3.jpg

I hope this clears things up regarding the pivot point for the YF-19 wing design.

[V2]

makes sense. thanks for the clarifications.

still hopefull though.

[matttracker]

I may not be an expert on Yamato toys but still I'm very interested in getting this baby. I just hope the colors are nice.

[Checkmate!]

v2 said:

makes sense. thanks for the clarifications.

still hopefull though.

ditto

[gian7675]

Ohh...! Now I get it! Thanks again for the nice pics.

I always wondered how those darn wings are attached/connected to the legs.