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Post by no3Ljm on Jun 24, 2006 23:09:53 GMT 8
tobatz
bro, ask ko lang kung ano yung pinaka-specific question mo about sa "wash". is it the paint applications order? or yung wash method itself?
if its the paint application order, ok yung post mo. tamang order ang mga yan. just don't forget to apply the decals first, if ever there's any, before putting the gloss coat (before applying the wash method).
now with wash naman. "wash" method works well if the surface is gloss and smooth. it will flow easy. not like if the surface is flat, the paint will have a hard time to flow. so if you want a flat-finish product, apply the wash on a gloss surface first, then, apply the flat coat when you're done detailing your kit. 
here's a sample of orders with decals:FLAT-FINISH1. base coat (preferrably gloss) > decals > gloss topcoat > wash or paneling > flat topcoat 2. base coat (preferrably gloss) > gloss topcoat > decals > gloss topcoat > wash or paneling > flat topcoat GLOSS/SEMI-GLOSS FINISH1. base coat (preferrably gloss) > decals > gloss topcoat > wash or paneling > gloss/semi-gloss topcoat 2. base coat (preferrably gloss) > gloss topcoat > decals > gloss topcoat > wash or paneling > gloss/semi-gloss topcoat for me, i always use the first number order. as much as possible i minimize the use or overcoating of coats/topcoats. kumakapal eh. the first time i use this method, nakapag-coat ako 3X. not to mention the base paint and some paint details pa. kaya makapal sya. but now, since i use water color paints for panelings, kahit di na ako mag-topcoat after the base coat, ok lang. since the water color is water-based, madaling remedyuhan pag nagkakamali.  kuha lang ako nang dampened cotton balls, voila! bura ang paneling. so my ordering now is: 1. base coat (preferrably gloss) > decals > wash or paneling > flat topcoat 2. base coat (preferrably gloss) > decals > gloss topcoat > wash or paneling > flat topcoat i apply the number 2 option in case there's a hard panel painting on top of decals. baka lagi akong magkamali, madudumihan lang ynug decals. so i need to apply a gloss topcoat first after applying the decals, before moving to paneling.
hope that helps, bro.
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Post by tobatz on Jun 25, 2006 0:04:31 GMT 8
@no3ljm: wow dude, thanks a lot, big help. just one thing, water color? hmm as in old skool water color?
if so, is it necessary to apply top coat/clear coat if i want to retain the panel line/water colored line?
thanks in advance
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Post by no3Ljm on Jun 25, 2006 0:14:25 GMT 8
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Post by tobatz on Jun 25, 2006 2:17:14 GMT 8
@no3ljm: whoooaah! that blew me off!!! thank u very much, very nice work on Freedom MG... i envy u hehehe  thnx again... |
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Post by grimm on Jun 25, 2006 2:18:53 GMT 8
Hi dudes... uhm, im quite new here and im also new at this panel line and paintings so i'll just drop by a few questions and hope that you could help me out... 1. I just painted some part of my kit a year ago with Bosny flat black paint. I want to remove the paint totally... is it still possible? how? 2. How can I make realistic battle scars w/o using an air brush? 3. Do you guys have any link to any tips on how I can make a cool diorama? Many thanks in advance. Hope you guys could help me out on this... -GRIMM |
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Post by tobatz on Jun 25, 2006 3:02:58 GMT 8
grimm: dude i can only answer question#1, ope this helps - try using DOT3 Brake Fluids, i've tested it myself on HG and MG kits. Also i've read it somewhere here at GT Forums but i forgot in which particular column...
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Post by kangkong on Jun 25, 2006 11:04:45 GMT 8
careful using brake fluids on kits especially those ABS Plastics. I use brake fluid to strip paints on plastics only (PS). While Clorox on ABS plastics (Internals). What happens if you use brake fluid on ABS? Well it melts the ABS. Clorox will strip most laquer and acrylics medyo matagal nga lang pero ok lang kasi nde naman masisira kit mo
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Post by no3Ljm on Jun 25, 2006 18:32:20 GMT 8
tobatz@no3ljm: whoooaah! that blew me off!!! thank u very much, very nice work on Freedom MG... i envy u hehehe thnx again... Hi dudes... uhm, im quite new here and im also new at this panel line and paintings so i'll just drop by a few questions and hope that you could help me out... 1. I just painted some part of my kit a year ago with Bosny flat black paint. I want to remove the paint totally... is it still possible? how?
this is some tools i read sa mga forums before:
soldering iron to make beam rifle/saber scratches. be careful not to over do it.
dad's trusted nail and hammer or ice picks for bullet holes or dents. ;Dtry www.armorama.com bro. i heard that this is a great site for military dioramas. so there's a lot of techniques and tips on doing battle-damaged scenes. no problem bro. you're welcome.
-no3ljm (the one in blue. ;D) Happy Building!
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Post by tobatz on Jun 25, 2006 20:10:37 GMT 8
@no3ljm: thnx dude, u've help me a lot... since andito na rin, ask ko lang how do you remove super glue (loctite)
from your kits? imposible n bang matanggal?
thanks in advance
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Post by no3Ljm on Jun 25, 2006 20:44:59 GMT 8
naku bro. ngayon pa lang hihingi na ako nang paumanhin. not familiar with model kits glue. hehehe. ;D gamit ko lang is yung tamiya cement. with super glue, di ko alam kung natatanggal pa. yung tamiya cement ang alam ko, malabo na rin mabaklas once it's fixed. sorry bro ha. wait mo na lang yung ibang members sa post nila, baka may nakakaalam.
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Post by christine_03 on Jun 25, 2006 20:51:35 GMT 8
i think may nabibiling solution sa super glue para matangal. priced at 150-200 php sa hardware. pero dapat ung gagamitan mo nun hindi sobrang nagmelt na ung plastic and parang magkadikit na. i mean kung manipis ung paglagay mo ng glue it should work naman. pero based on my experience hindi laging natatangal and if matangal mo u need to sand ng mabuti. hope may sense sinabi ko.
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Post by tobatz on Jun 25, 2006 21:04:41 GMT 8
@no3ljm: ok lang un bro,m u've helped me nmn already eh, thanks christine_03: thanks dude, may sense nmn, ask ko lang which hardware? local o ung nasa mall? meron n kc ako super glue remover loctite ung brand kso di effective, any suggestions? thanks in advance |
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Post by gouki on Jun 25, 2006 23:56:10 GMT 8
tobatz: superglue to plastic? malabo na yata un matanggal bro, sa experience ko lang yun ha? i think master akimoto kazuma can help u there? akimoto yoohoo, u der bro?
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Post by grimm on Jun 26, 2006 0:31:06 GMT 8
@ no3ljm and the others... Thanks bro. I really appreciate the tips. I just hope it wont dry the quality of my kits. I used thinner and cuticle remover on my Stormsworder (ZOIDS) once to remove panel lines and it dried up the plastic of my kit. Fortunately it was not that worst... but still you could notice the difference if you're a collector like us. Again... thanks guys. Im glad to be here. -GRIMM |
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Post by no3Ljm on Jun 26, 2006 7:58:23 GMT 8
@grimm
no prob bro. sana nga nakatulong mga sinasabi namin eh. hehehe. ;D j/k. nweiz, good luck on building kits. marami pang lalabas sa July. actually, ngayong June, marami na ring mga bago. if you have time, check this thread on upcoming kits. ang dami! as in! July pa lang yan ha. hehehe. di ko na kayang bilhin yung iba eh.
i know what you feel bro. collector din ako eh. sobrang "OC" nang mga collectors pagdating sa mga laruan. hehehe. proud to be one.
as for your Zoid, bro. baka mali yung paggamit mo nang thinner. sabi kasi nang marami, if you let the thinner rubbed a lot of times dun sa plastic kit, talagang masisira yung kit mo. magkakaron nang 'blemishes'. same thing with Gundam Kits. they don't suggest na magtagal ang thinner sa surface nung plastic. kinakain kasi nang thinner ang plastic. so para maiwasang ilapit kay dr.belo at dr.calalay ang mga kits ninyo. here's some tips.
if you need to clean it with thinner, the best thing to do is put some small amount of thinner sa cotton buds or clean cloth. and just to be sure, you must have an extra clean cloth for wiping or for drying the thinner on the surface. remember lang bro na may tendency na mawala yung natural glossiness/shine nung plastic once you use thinner nang matagal. as for the thinner, i suggest you use thinners na nabibili sa mga hobby shops. industrial thinners like yung binibili nang mga tatay natin para sa mga pintura ay masyadong matapang. 
sana nakatulong ito, bro.
teka... thinner din ba ang panglinis sa ka-plastic-an nang tao? hahahaha! ;D j/k
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kuha lang ako nang dampened cotton balls, voila! bura ang paneling. 
