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Post by oldskul on Sept 9, 2005 18:54:49 GMT 8
(NOTE: previous title- DARK EDGES???)
hey guys, i stop building gundam kits years ago mainly for this one reason-
i don't know how to paint dark edges. i used to get very hard core when it comes to painting gundams, palage nag eexperiment sa kit building and painting, madame na din ako nasira kits etc. gusto ko makuha un level ng painting na nakikita mo sa mga gundams sa mga hobby magazines.
pinaka gusto ko un very subtle na dark edges meron sila. pag red or blue un base paint, usually meron sya blackish shade sa mga edges and panel lines (aside pa sa mga panel lines ha). pag white base paint, meron naman sya grayish or bluish shade sa mga edges. ang ganda nila tignan.
ginawa ko sa airbrush using fine tip pero pangit ang labas, garish sya and walang gradiation ika nga. un sa kanila napaka subtle. tapos gumamit ako ng pastel chalk (grounded then applied with brush sa edges), ang dumi naman tignan. haay sabe ko, stop muna ako sa gundam kits hangat di ko nakuha technique ng mga japs in painting dark edges (another reason is i got so busy na sa work and family, got to stop talaga).
hope you guys know the technique in painting dark edges gaya nun mga gundams sa mga modelling magazines, share naman bros, i really would appreciate it guys. para sakin (my opinion only), painting effective dark edges, na subtle and maganda, ang pinaka da best finish sa mga gundam mechs (after painting and panel lines of course). tnx, best regards.
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Post by Ryuhao on Sept 9, 2005 21:41:09 GMT 8
oldskul. Post shading and Pre-shading yun!!! There are several ways to do post and pre-shading. 1. The Max Watanabe style (pre-shading). What Max did was (after priming) paint the part all black. Then he loads the finish color on his AB and paint the part, taking care that he won't touch the edges, off course there will be over spray, but that will give the effect as well. So after you finished painting, the edges will stand out because it will have some kind of shadow . 2. Post shading- is done after you paint the part with the base color or finish color. You may use a mixture of black and gray, thinned in about 70%thinner and 30%paint, so medyo malabnaw. Then you will spray it gradually on the edges. This is much harder than pre-shading. Also you may take the base color, then darken it by adding black to a certain tint of you preference then spray it on the edges, this one gives you a bigger margin of error than spraying black directly on the edges. The trick when ABing post shading is to bring your air pressure low, just enough to "smoke" your paint into the edges. My suggestion is try it on some spare plastic before you try it on your kit.
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Post by Ryuhao on Sept 10, 2005 1:14:58 GMT 8
Oh! I forgot, for pre-shading, you can also opt to just spray the edges and panel lines black, then finish off with the base color. (This is usually what I'm doing for my kit) ;D
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Post by Daycot on Sept 10, 2005 3:14:46 GMT 8
Yup! Plain old pre-shading and post shading! ;D Like Sir Ryhao explained, it is easily done with an airbrush! You can also serach for sites regarding these techniques. I recommend www.codyscoop.com. He has a tutorial for this. Hope this helps!  |
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Post by oldskul on Sept 12, 2005 14:53:18 GMT 8
hey guys, tnx for the info. the tutorial of cody kwok is very informative (codyscoop.com). his methods are very inclined to the traditional military style of panel shading, highlighting and application of panel lines (lotsa washes and drybrushing). similar to the teachings of shepard paine and verlinden, pioneers of military scale modelling.
matagal kuna din ginaya this method of modelling, even way back in my scale armor modelling days. actually, when i was modelling gundams 7 years ago, washes gamit ko sa panel lines, di pa ata uso un gundam markers nun. and a little bit of drybrushing pero very slight lang.
di ku lang talaga makuha un dark edges sa mga gundams nakikita ko sa mga mags, even after applying post shading. i know what the japs do is either pre or post shading, pero un level of subtlety ng end result nila is outstanding. nakakabilib talaga. cguro meron sila technique or paint (class of paint or color of paint), in addition to pre and post shading, that makes the difference.
cguro research pa ako, pag nkuha kuna un style nila na hanap ko. i would update this thread.
tnx talaga guys, lalo na dun sa site ni cody. madame ako natutuhan sa kanya.
best regards to you all.
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Post by Daycot on Sept 12, 2005 16:00:25 GMT 8
No problem dude! ;D
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Post by Checkmate! on Sept 13, 2005 10:33:30 GMT 8
Oh! I forgot, for pre-shading, you can also opt to just spray the edges and panel lines black, then finish off with the base color. (This is usually what I'm doing for my kit) ;D pero you can use black lacquer spray paint as your primer na para mas makatipid. |
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Post by Checkmate! on Sept 13, 2005 10:34:45 GMT 8
hey guys, tnx for the info. the tutorial of cody kwok is very informative (codyscoop.com). his methods are very inclined to the traditional military style of panel shading, highlighting and application of panel lines (lotsa washes and drybrushing). similar to the teachings of shepard paine and verlinden, pioneers of military scale modelling. matagal kuna din ginaya this method of modelling, even way back in my scale armor modelling days. actually, when i was modelling gundams 7 years ago, washes gamit ko sa panel lines, di pa ata uso un gundam markers nun. and a little bit of drybrushing pero very slight lang. di ku lang talaga makuha un dark edges sa mga gundams nakikita ko sa mga mags, even after applying post shading. i know what the japs do is either pre or post shading, pero un level of subtlety ng end result nila is outstanding. nakakabilib talaga. cguro meron sila technique or paint (class of paint or color of paint), in addition to pre and post shading, that makes the difference. cguro research pa ako, pag nkuha kuna un style nila na hanap ko. i would update this thread. tnx talaga guys, lalo na dun sa site ni cody. madame ako natutuhan sa kanya. best regards to you all. it's not the paint pre kasi they use gunze also. secret nila? practice! |
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Post by oldskul on Sept 13, 2005 11:01:41 GMT 8
Watanabe's style of painting???hey guys, here's a picture of cody kwok 's strike rouge gundam:  heavy on the military style of painting. weathered and faded un colors. enhanced details due to intense drybrushing. very realistic (paint wise). and here's one from max watanabe:  weathered with intense panel shading, but dark colors still crisp (not faded), with a fresh look. definitely both cody and max are among the best of the best, mga mecha gods  . pero i really admire max watanabe's works. i just learned recently (tnx to the reply of ryuhao, he mentioning max watanabe...), un mga nakikita ko gundams date sa mga jap magazines, style ni max watanabe. pinilit ko gayahin, to my dismay  . i also learned (very recently din), meron sya book:  pero cgurado jap txt ito, hindi ku din maiintindihan, haay. anyways, pag nakuha ko method nya, for sure i will update this thread. tnx guys, best regards as always, happy collecting and modelling.
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Post by Daycot on Sept 13, 2005 15:34:01 GMT 8
I love Cody's works! Did you see his Blitz?!  |
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Post by oldskul on Sept 13, 2005 16:39:56 GMT 8
I love Cody's works! Did you see his Blitz?!  yes. he used a different style this time (gloss top coat, real minimum panel shading and highlights, colored panel lines). a style on its own, hindi traditional military (my opinion only guys, you can say otherwise). anyways, i'm still looking for max watanabe's style of painting. tnx guys. |
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Post by Daycot on Sept 13, 2005 17:01:14 GMT 8
I love this Blitz! ;D I am going to make mine exactly like that! |
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Post by rhanen28 on Sept 13, 2005 19:45:39 GMT 8
it looks so plastic eheh kaya nde ko gs2 gloss hehe
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Post by Daycot on Sept 13, 2005 19:53:39 GMT 8
The Blitz uses the mirage colloid system so Cody decided to paint it that way. ;D I liked it though!
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Post by rhanen28 on Sept 13, 2005 20:02:15 GMT 8
pero maganda heheh
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